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The Rise of Modern States and the Development of Religious Freedom
TLDR The book "Persecution and Toleration" explores the transition from pre-modern societies, which were structured around identity rules, to modern societies that aspire towards general rules. The destabilization caused by the Reformation led to a period of crisis in Europe, with rulers attempting to return to the religious originality of the medieval period before eventually shifting towards more general rules of governance.
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The rise of modern states and the enforcement of general rules throughout their territory were the precondition for religious peace and the eventual rise of religious and other freedoms, according to the book "Persecution and Toleration" by Professor Mark Koyama and Noel Johnson.
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The book "Persecution and Toleration" by Professor Mark Koyama and Noel Johnson focuses on the difference between identity rules and general rules, with identity rules being dependent on social identity and general rules being independent of social identity, and argues that pre-modern societies were structured around identity rules while modern societies aspire towards general rules.
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Religious self-governance should not be mistaken for religious freedom, and the delegation of autonomy to local religious communities by states like the Ottoman state should not be mistaken for a liberal state; in the Middle Ages, political equilibrium was generated through the combination of identity rules, low state capacity, and reliance on religion as a source of legitimacy.
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The close intertwining of church and state institutions, as well as conflicts between them, led to a stable and predictable equilibrium in which rulers were able to exploit the weakness of the institutional church in the 15th century to gain more power for themselves.
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The Reformation destabilized the self-reinforcing equilibrium of the Middle Ages, leading to the secularization of society, the privatization of Church land, the selling off of monasteries, and the weakening of the Church's ability to govern society effectively.
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The destabilization caused by the Reformation led to a period of crisis in Europe, with rulers attempting to return their societies to the religious originality of the medieval period through conversion, persuasion, or expulsion of religious minorities, before eventually shifting towards more general rules of governance due to the difficulty of maintaining split identities in a society splintered along religious lines.
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The adoption of general rules and increased state capacity by early modern rulers was hindered by countervailing forces such as corruption, moral hazard, and information asymmetries, and it was often only in times of war that these modern states were forged, although the process was arduous and costly.
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The tension between what rulers thought they were doing and what they were actually doing in terms of increasing state capacity is a key aspect to consider when analyzing the rise of the modern state, as zooming out and taking a long overview reveals general trends that point to the development of the state, even if rulers did not have that intention at the time.
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The benefit of explicitly embracing counterfactual reasoning as a methodological tool in history is that it clarifies the assumptions and allows for a clearer understanding of causation, which can then be debated and analyzed.
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Counterfactual reasoning is valuable in understanding causality in history, but there is a lack of comfort and interest in answering big questions and embracing a broad toolkit in the history profession, which may be due to the push for specialization and the perception that these questions are not well served in academic publishing.
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The historian argues that ancient Rome, despite being a commercial society, was unlikely to have had an industrial revolution due to factors such as slavery, cultural attitudes towards growth, and a lack of sustained innovation.
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