00:00 The hosts discuss the upcoming TV adaptation of William Dalrymple's book "The Anarchy" and the potential challenges of bringing it to the screen.

04:34 The hosts discuss the potential casting of William Dalrymple in the upcoming TV adaptation of "The Anarchy" and the excitement surrounding it.

08:55 William Dalrymple discusses how reading the autobiography of Verrier Elwin, an Oxford scholar who lived in India and became an anthropologist, inspired him to change his field of study to history and sociology, leading to the writing of his book "Savaging the Civilized" and eventually his current book about foreigners who were involved in the freedom struggle in India, including those who went to jail or were deported.

12:57 Annie Besant's journey from secularism to theosophy and her involvement in education in India, despite her contradictory views on women's education, ultimately leads to her involvement in the freedom struggle and her connection with Gandhi.

16:53 Annie Besant sees herself as a mother of the Indian freedom struggle and wants self-rule for Indians on the Irish model, but her first encounter with Gandhi is not successful and later many of her followers abandon her for Gandhi.

20:47 Annie Besant feels overshadowed by Gandhi and becomes even more isolated when her adopted son leaves her, while Madeleine Slade, also known as Meera, becomes part of Gandhi's inner circle and works to promote the Indian freedom struggle abroad.

24:55 Madeleine Slade falls in love with a revolutionary man in Gandhi's ashram, but he is indifferent to her, leading her to leave Gandhi and set up an ashram in the Himalayas, later becoming unhappy with the direction India is taking after Gandhi's death and moving back to Europe.

29:04 B.G. Horniman, a journalist in India during the early 1900s, becomes a crusading fighter for Indian freedom, adopts Indian culture, and is a proponent of the working class and freedom of the press, despite facing prejudice and hostility due to being gay.

33:05 B.G. Horniman is deported from India to England but manages to illegally return and continues his work as a journalist and advocate for Indian independence, while Samuel Stokes, an American missionary, settles in Himachal Pradesh, marries a local girl, and joins the Gandhi-Swedon struggle.

37:02 Samuel Stokes joins the freedom struggle, campaigns against forced labor, spends time in jail, becomes an entrepreneur in the apple industry, converts to Hinduism, and has a positive relationship with his mother and mixed-race children.